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Britain getting safer

Postby Genghis » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:25 am | #1

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22275280

So - why?  Can we take any small credit for a relationship between widespread martial arts practice and improved national safety? Are muggers and murders giving up because there may be a JuJitsuka or Kempoka around every corner?

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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby nry » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:50 am | #2

I somehow doubt it :)  And aren't 90% of statistics made up anyhow?  :)
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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby PointyShinyBurning » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:52 am | #3

Genghis wrote:So - why?  Can we take any small credit for a relationship between widespread martial arts practice and improved national safety? Are muggers and murders giving up because there may be a JuJitsuka or Kempoka around every corner?
You'd have to produce some evidence that numbers of people training have gone up, first. Certainly participation rates for common ones like Judo and boxing haven't taken any notable spike in the last decade that I know of.
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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby Genghis » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:22 pm | #4

Well, as I gather nobody else has a clue why Britain is getting so much safer, it's as good an argument as any other.

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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby nry » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:25 pm | #5

Quite probably because they have changed the way the statistics are put together, that's often why things like unemployment drop!
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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby Daftbugger » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:45 pm | #6

I notice that it includes murders and people admitted to hospital, but not much else. But peaceful, really? Have the 2011 riots been forgotten so quickly?
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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby PointyShinyBurning » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:37 pm | #7

nry wrote:Quite probably because they have changed the way the statistics are put together, that's often why things like unemployment drop!

No, it's a fairly well attested effect throughout the developed world. If you look at the British Crime Survey, for example, the results are directly comparable between years and show a pronounced continuing fall despite the recession and so on.
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Re: Britain getting safer

Postby Urban Fisherman » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:47 pm | #8

Daftbugger wrote:I notice that it includes murders and people admitted to hospital, but not much else. But peaceful, really? Have the 2011 riots been forgotten so quickly?


The historical evidence shows a very long term trend of declining violence from when we were hunter gatherers to the present day: http://edge.org/conversation/mc2011-his ... nce-pinker Even taking the major world wars into account the 20th century was relatively non-violent compared to humanity's past.

Jared Diamond got a lot of flak for drawing this to attention in his recent book: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/fe ... al-peoples

It seems that we're slowly learning to live together more peacefully, and that a fairly high level of violence is our default behaviour without the impact of modern civilisation.
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