The "Predator" weapon

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The "Predator" weapon

Postby captaintau » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:26 pm | #1

Had an interesting e-mail this morning, alerting me of an upcoming seminar covering the use of the "Predator" weapon:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPVDxniGBo&feature=related[/youtube]

I should add that I'm at work and so don't have audio.

Anyone got any experience of these? They stike me (!) as a cross between a Kubotan and a Kama.

What would be the legal stance on them? I suspect they'll be a no-no, just like the Kubotan.
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Postby ToffeeApple » Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:54 pm | #2

/groan. :no:


[edit] Kubotans - those rod keyrings?  I don't think they are illegal...  This thing however is like somebody looked at those safety cutters used by supermarkets, asked themselves "how can we give this the bad image nunchucks used to have in british culture?" and then manufactured them.

I have no hard knowledge on these things, but I would rate them as pretty indefensible to carry, unless one were travelling to and from some sort of 'predator' :roll: workshop/lesson.
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Postby Matt NZ » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:12 am | #3

This is a good predator
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This is a bad predator
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Postby bombchucka » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:33 am | #4

Now read the following colours out loud:
Green, Red, Blue
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Postby Mad Dog » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:35 am | #5

bombchucka wrote:Kubotans are illegal


That refers to 'hollow kubotans' which have spikes inside them.. solid kubotans are not illegal..
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Postby Genghis » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:21 am | #6

ToffeeApple wrote:/groan. :no:


[edit] Kubotans - those rod keyrings?  I don't think they are illegal...  This thing however is like somebody looked at those safety cutters used by supermarkets, asked themselves "how can we give this the bad image nunchucks used to have in british culture?" and then manufactured them.



Weren't supermarket boxcutters what the 9/11 terrorists used?  That should give anything a fairly poor reputation.

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Postby Blackbelt007 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:32 am | #7

I used to carry a kubotan as a keyring and when I was once stopped by the local police they did raise an eyebrow about it. This was some years ago when I was a teenager, walking home in the wee small hoursof the morning and during a spate of car break ins so the police were stopping any teenagers in the wee small hours (just wanted to clairfy I am not in the habit of being stopped and searched by police). The officer knew me via my Dad (being a youth justice worker at the time and a prominant MA coach. He asked me if I knew what it was and when I said yes he told me it would be best not to carry it.

AFAIK Carrying anything with the intent to cause harm (be it self defence or otherwise) is an offence. Regardless of the object. Carrying a kubotan with the intent to use it in self defence is therfore 'tooling up' to use the correct vernacular!
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Postby Mad Dog » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:43 am | #8

Blackbelt007 wrote:AFAIK Carrying anything with the intent to cause harm (be it self defence or otherwise) is an offence. Regardless of the object. Carrying a kubotan with the intent to use it in self defence is therfore 'tooling up' to use the correct vernacular!


So the Kubotan itself is not illegal, its the 'carrying it for self defence' that would make it illegal. If you were carrying it as a keyring, or a 'lucky' charm because it was given to you.. though you would be better to carry a metal torch of the same dimensions.. 2 uses and a lot fewer questions..
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Postby beaker » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:42 pm | #9

Genghis wrote:
ToffeeApple wrote:/groan. :no:


[edit] Kubotans - those rod keyrings?  I don't think they are illegal...  This thing however is like somebody looked at those safety cutters used by supermarkets, asked themselves "how can we give this the bad image nunchucks used to have in british culture?" and then manufactured them.



Weren't supermarket boxcutters what the 9/11 terrorists used?  That should give anything a fairly poor reputation.

I think this is another 'divided by a common language' thing.  The Americans call Stanley knives 'boxcutters'.
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Postby Blackbelt007 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:19 pm | #10

Mad Dog wrote:
Blackbelt007 wrote:AFAIK Carrying anything with the intent to cause harm (be it self defence or otherwise) is an offence. Regardless of the object. Carrying a kubotan with the intent to use it in self defence is therfore 'tooling up' to use the correct vernacular!


So the Kubotan itself is not illegal, its the 'carrying it for self defence' that would make it illegal. If you were carrying it as a keyring, or a 'lucky' charm because it was given to you.. though you would be better to carry a metal torch of the same dimensions.. 2 uses and a lot fewer questions..


Exactly! If you happened to be in possession of a torch of said dimensions that you carry for a justifiable reason (work etc) then the fact you had it hand during a confrontation when it was used is defendable.
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Postby aiki-jitsoo » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:48 pm | #11

I know of someone who had their keyring kubotan taken by the police as they saw it on his keys. They took it and melted it down. I guess they are illegal.
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Postby Goober » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:49 pm | #12

They took it and melted it down


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Postby chuunen baka » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:41 am | #13

From the papers: "Darren Day 'stunned' to find keyring is offensive as he's found guilty of possessing weapon" - Daily Record
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Postby Mad Dog » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:52 am | #14

He was 'admonished'.. i.e. told off and told not to do it again..
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Postby ToffeeApple » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:16 am | #15

Sounds like a typical bullshit prosecution to me.  Like the whole "omg bruce lee evil nunchucks" thing.
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