European knife disarms

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European knife disarms

Postby Genghis » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:56 pm | #1

Sadly not described what techniques he used, but a nice write-up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orker.html

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Re: European knife disarms

Postby Hirsty » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:28 pm | #2

Interesting that he had a second knife too
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby Genghis » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:34 am | #3

An interesting and valid point, worth bearing in mind when training knife defences!

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Re: European knife disarms

Postby nry » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:01 am | #4

It states that he grabbed the attackers hand, pinned him to the counter then wrenched the knife from his hand...a second knife was drawn and the attacker ended up pinned to the floor.  I'm curious if they had counters back in the day :)
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby Genghis » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:57 pm | #5

I'm pretty certain that they had pubs!  Pubs had bars and fights.  :mrgreen:

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Re: European knife disarms

Postby Jitsonic » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:04 pm | #6

I'm a little surprised the guy didn't kill him during the disarm to be honest. To have one knife pulled on you is bad enough, but two?
As Genghis said it's a very important question to add to the 'what if?' pile with these situations.
Up until now I always assumed people would carry one weapon for some strange reason - an assumption that could have landed me in a whole heap of *beep*. If you assume that they have more weapons then that changes the whole dynamic of the disarm.
Therefore I think the technique following a successful initial disarm should be something along the lines of 'Release the Kraken...'    :twisted:
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby nry » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:58 pm | #7

Reasonable force ftw...come at me with two knives and I reserve the right to cause a few injuries in return...on a lucky day anyhow.
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby Genghis » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:52 pm | #8

For me the big lesson from there is even if you've disarmed somebody, a very non-negotiable restraint or a KO seems to become even more appropriate than one might have thought it was.

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Re: European knife disarms

Postby nry » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:09 am | #9

Any situation where you can't leave and/or are concerned the attacker will try and have another go would be the same...I'd suspect that any drunk/drugged attacker isn't going to stop just because you've thrown them to the ground, unless that throw lands them on their head.
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby rne02 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:45 am | #10

nry wrote:I'd suspect that any drunk/drugged attacker isn't going to stop just because you've thrown them to the ground, unless that throw lands them on their head.

One of my instructors had an attacker in a standing armbar, the guy had that many drugs in his system he stood up out of it, breaking his own arm in the process, and then started punching with the other arm.

Frightening.
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby nry » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:41 am | #11

Sounds it!  It isn't just weapons to be worried about, it's the state of mind of those attacking.
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Re: European knife disarms

Postby nz_ROB » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:45 am | #12

That must be why God invented tazers !!
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